diff --git a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/are-logs-present.injectable.ts b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/are-logs-present.injectable.ts
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..7998e0ff2c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/are-logs-present.injectable.ts
@@ -0,0 +1,26 @@
+/**
+ * Copyright (c) OpenLens Authors. All rights reserved.
+ * Licensed under MIT License. See LICENSE in root directory for more information.
+ */
+import { getInjectable, lifecycleEnum } from "@ogre-tools/injectable";
+import { bind } from "../../../utils";
+import type { TabId } from "../dock/store";
+import type { LogStore } from "./store";
+import logStoreInjectable from "./store.injectable";
+
+interface Dependencies {
+  logStore: LogStore;
+}
+
+function areLogsPresent({ logStore }: Dependencies, tabId: TabId) {
+  return logStore.areLogsPresent(tabId);
+}
+
+const areLogsPresentInjectable = getInjectable({
+  instantiate: (di) => bind(areLogsPresent, null, {
+    logStore: di.inject(logStoreInjectable),
+  }),
+  lifecycle: lifecycleEnum.singleton,
+});
+
+export default areLogsPresentInjectable;
diff --git a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/list.tsx b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/list.tsx
index 42e8490a27..8361fa7f68 100644
--- a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/list.tsx
+++ b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/list.tsx
@@ -19,6 +19,7 @@ import { array, boundMethod, cssNames } from "../../../utils";
 import { VirtualList } from "../../virtual-list";
 import { ToBottom } from "./to-bottom";
 import type { LogTabViewModel } from "../logs/logs-view-model";
+import { Spinner } from "../../spinner";
 
 export interface LogListProps {
   model: LogTabViewModel;
@@ -212,10 +213,18 @@ export class LogList extends React.Component<LogListProps> {
   };
 
   render() {
+    if (this.props.model.isLoading.get()) {
+      return (
+        <div className="LogList flex box grow align-center justify-center">
+          <Spinner />
+        </div>
+      );
+    }
+
     if (!this.logs.length) {
       return (
         <div className="LogList flex box grow align-center justify-center">
-          There are no logs available for container
+          There are no logs available for container {this.props.model.logTabData.get()?.selectedContainer}
         </div>
       );
     }
diff --git a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/load-logs.injectable.ts b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/load-logs.injectable.ts
index 8b7f2e4eae..ea74b93505 100644
--- a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/load-logs.injectable.ts
+++ b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/load-logs.injectable.ts
@@ -4,6 +4,7 @@
  */
 import { getInjectable, lifecycleEnum } from "@ogre-tools/injectable";
 import type { IComputedValue } from "mobx";
+import type { Pod } from "../../../../common/k8s-api/endpoints";
 import { bind } from "../../../utils";
 import type { LogStore } from "./store";
 import logStoreInjectable from "./store.injectable";
@@ -13,8 +14,8 @@ interface Dependencies {
   logStore: LogStore;
 }
 
-function loadLogs({ logStore }: Dependencies, tabId: string, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): Promise<void> {
-  return logStore.load(tabId, logTabData);
+function loadLogs({ logStore }: Dependencies, tabId: string, pod: IComputedValue<Pod | undefined>, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): Promise<void> {
+  return logStore.load(tabId, pod, logTabData);
 }
 
 const loadLogsInjectable = getInjectable({
diff --git a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/logs-view-model.injectable.ts b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/logs-view-model.injectable.ts
index 9969191f4f..cc7012d7b1 100644
--- a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/logs-view-model.injectable.ts
+++ b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/logs-view-model.injectable.ts
@@ -16,6 +16,7 @@ import stopLoadingLogsInjectable from "./stop-loading-logs.injectable";
 import { podsStore } from "../../+workloads-pods/pods.store";
 import createSearchStoreInjectable from "../../../search-store/create-search-store.injectable";
 import renameTabInjectable from "../dock/rename-tab.injectable";
+import areLogsPresentInjectable from "./are-logs-present.injectable";
 
 export interface InstantiateArgs {
   tabId: TabId;
@@ -32,6 +33,7 @@ const logsViewModelInjectable = getInjectable({
     loadLogs: di.inject(loadLogsInjectable),
     renameTab: di.inject(renameTabInjectable),
     stopLoadingLogs: di.inject(stopLoadingLogsInjectable),
+    areLogsPresent: di.inject(areLogsPresentInjectable),
     getPodById: id => podsStore.getById(id),
     getPodsByOwnerId: id => podsStore.getPodsByOwnerId(id),
     createSearchStore: di.inject(createSearchStoreInjectable),
diff --git a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/logs-view-model.ts b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/logs-view-model.ts
index 5598298c53..fcc42ba113 100644
--- a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/logs-view-model.ts
+++ b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/logs-view-model.ts
@@ -14,18 +14,20 @@ export interface LogTabViewModelDependencies {
   getTimestampSplitLogs: (tabId: TabId) => [string, string][];
   getLogTabData: (tabId: TabId) => LogTabData;
   setLogTabData: (tabId: TabId, data: LogTabData) => void;
-  loadLogs: (tabId: TabId, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>) => Promise<void>;
-  reloadLogs: (tabId: TabId, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>) => Promise<void>;
+  loadLogs: (tabId: TabId, pod: IComputedValue<Pod | undefined>, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>) => Promise<void>;
+  reloadLogs: (tabId: TabId, pod: IComputedValue<Pod | undefined>, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>) => Promise<void>;
   renameTab: (tabId: TabId, title: string) => void;
   stopLoadingLogs: (tabId: TabId) => void;
   getPodById: (id: string) => Pod | undefined;
   getPodsByOwnerId: (id: string) => Pod[];
+  areLogsPresent: (tabId: TabId) => boolean;
   createSearchStore: () => SearchStore;
 }
 
 export class LogTabViewModel {
   constructor(protected readonly tabId: TabId, private readonly dependencies: LogTabViewModelDependencies) {}
 
+  readonly isLoading = computed(() => this.dependencies.areLogsPresent(this.tabId));
   readonly logs = computed(() => this.dependencies.getLogs(this.tabId));
   readonly logsWithoutTimestamps = computed(() => this.dependencies.getLogsWithoutTimestamps(this.tabId));
   readonly timestampSplitLogs = computed(() => this.dependencies.getTimestampSplitLogs(this.tabId));
@@ -58,8 +60,8 @@ export class LogTabViewModel {
     this.dependencies.setLogTabData(this.tabId, { ...this.logTabData.get(), ...partialData });
   };
 
-  loadLogs = () => this.dependencies.loadLogs(this.tabId, this.logTabData);
-  reloadLogs = () => this.dependencies.reloadLogs(this.tabId, this.logTabData);
+  loadLogs = () => this.dependencies.loadLogs(this.tabId, this.pod, this.logTabData);
+  reloadLogs = () => this.dependencies.reloadLogs(this.tabId, this.pod, this.logTabData);
   renameTab = (title: string) => this.dependencies.renameTab(this.tabId, title);
   stopLoadingLogs = () => this.dependencies.stopLoadingLogs(this.tabId);
 }
diff --git a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/reload-logs.injectable.ts b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/reload-logs.injectable.ts
index 4ed8874e59..9081e34c91 100644
--- a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/reload-logs.injectable.ts
+++ b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/reload-logs.injectable.ts
@@ -4,6 +4,7 @@
  */
 import { getInjectable, lifecycleEnum } from "@ogre-tools/injectable";
 import type { IComputedValue } from "mobx";
+import type { Pod } from "../../../../common/k8s-api/endpoints";
 import { bind } from "../../../utils";
 import type { LogStore } from "./store";
 import logStoreInjectable from "./store.injectable";
@@ -13,8 +14,8 @@ interface Dependencies {
   logStore: LogStore;
 }
 
-function reloadLogs({ logStore }: Dependencies, tabId: string, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): Promise<void> {
-  return logStore.reload(tabId, logTabData);
+function reloadLogs({ logStore }: Dependencies, tabId: string, pod: IComputedValue<Pod | undefined>, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): Promise<void> {
+  return logStore.reload(tabId, pod, logTabData);
 }
 
 const reloadLogsInjectable = getInjectable({
diff --git a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/store.injectable.ts b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/store.injectable.ts
index cf92ab1fda..a1f4b79de9 100644
--- a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/store.injectable.ts
+++ b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/store.injectable.ts
@@ -5,12 +5,10 @@
 import { getInjectable, lifecycleEnum } from "@ogre-tools/injectable";
 import { LogStore } from "./store";
 import callForLogsInjectable from "./call-for-logs.injectable";
-import { podsStore } from "../../+workloads-pods/pods.store";
 
 const logStoreInjectable = getInjectable({
   instantiate: (di) => new LogStore({
     callForLogs: di.inject(callForLogsInjectable),
-    getPodById: id => podsStore.getById(id),
   }),
 
   lifecycle: lifecycleEnum.singleton,
diff --git a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/store.ts b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/store.ts
index 53206aff09..fb0c446119 100644
--- a/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/store.ts
+++ b/src/renderer/components/dock/logs/store.ts
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
  * Licensed under MIT License. See LICENSE in root directory for more information.
  */
 
-import { observable, IComputedValue } from "mobx";
+import { observable, IComputedValue, when } from "mobx";
 import type { IPodLogsQuery, Pod } from "../../../../common/k8s-api/endpoints";
 import { getOrInsertWith, interval, IntervalFn } from "../../../utils";
 import type { TabId } from "../dock/store";
@@ -14,7 +14,6 @@ type PodLogLine = string;
 const logLinesToLoad = 500;
 
 interface Dependencies {
-  getPodById: (id: string) => Pod | undefined;
   callForLogs: ({ namespace, name }: { namespace: string, name: string }, query: IPodLogsQuery) => Promise<string>
 }
 
@@ -44,24 +43,24 @@ export class LogStore {
    * Also, it handles loading errors, rewriting whole logs with error
    * messages
    */
-  public async load(tabId: TabId, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): Promise<void> {
+  public async load(tabId: TabId, computedPod: IComputedValue<Pod | undefined>, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): Promise<void> {
     try {
-      const logs = await this.loadLogs(logTabData, {
+      const logs = await this.loadLogs(computedPod, logTabData, {
         tailLines: this.getLogLines(tabId) + logLinesToLoad,
       });
 
-      this.getRefresher(tabId, logTabData).start();
+      this.getRefresher(tabId, computedPod, logTabData).start();
       this.podLogs.set(tabId, logs);
     } catch (error) {
       this.handlerError(tabId, error);
     }
   }
 
-  private getRefresher(tabId: TabId, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): IntervalFn {
+  private getRefresher(tabId: TabId, computedPod: IComputedValue<Pod | undefined>, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): IntervalFn {
     return getOrInsertWith(this.refreshers, tabId, () => (
       interval(10, () => {
         if (this.podLogs.has(tabId)) {
-          this.loadMore(tabId, logTabData);
+          this.loadMore(tabId, computedPod, logTabData);
         }
       })
     ));
@@ -81,14 +80,14 @@ export class LogStore {
    * starting from last line received.
    * @param tabId
    */
-  public async loadMore(tabId: TabId, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): Promise<void> {
+  public async loadMore(tabId: TabId, computedPod: IComputedValue<Pod | undefined>, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): Promise<void> {
     if (!this.podLogs.get(tabId).length) {
       return;
     }
 
     try {
       const oldLogs = this.podLogs.get(tabId);
-      const logs = await this.loadLogs(logTabData, {
+      const logs = await this.loadLogs(computedPod, logTabData, {
         sinceTime: this.getLastSinceTime(tabId),
       });
 
@@ -106,9 +105,11 @@ export class LogStore {
    * @param params request parameters described in IPodLogsQuery interface
    * @returns A fetch request promise
    */
-  private async loadLogs(logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>, params: Partial<IPodLogsQuery>): Promise<string[]> {
-    const { selectedContainer, showPrevious, selectedPodId } = logTabData.get();
-    const pod = this.dependencies.getPodById(selectedPodId);
+  private async loadLogs(computedPod: IComputedValue<Pod | undefined>, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>, params: Partial<IPodLogsQuery>): Promise<string[]> {
+    await when(() => Boolean(computedPod.get() && logTabData.get()), { timeout: 5_000 });
+
+    const { selectedContainer, showPrevious } = logTabData.get();
+    const pod = computedPod.get();
     const namespace = pod.getNs();
     const name = pod.getName();
 
@@ -135,6 +136,10 @@ export class LogStore {
     return this.getLogs(tabId).length;
   }
 
+  areLogsPresent(tabId: TabId): boolean {
+    return !this.podLogs.has(tabId);
+  }
+
   getLogs(tabId: TabId): string[]{
     return this.podLogs.get(tabId) ?? [];
   }
@@ -201,9 +206,9 @@ export class LogStore {
     this.podLogs.delete(tabId);
   }
 
-  reload(tabId: TabId, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): Promise<void> {
+  reload(tabId: TabId, computedPod: IComputedValue<Pod | undefined>, logTabData: IComputedValue<LogTabData>): Promise<void> {
     this.clearLogs(tabId);
 
-    return this.load(tabId, logTabData);
+    return this.load(tabId, computedPod, logTabData);
   }
 }
diff --git a/src/renderer/kube-watch-api/kube-watch-api.ts b/src/renderer/kube-watch-api/kube-watch-api.ts
index 4b9a802723..f38ffcec1c 100644
--- a/src/renderer/kube-watch-api/kube-watch-api.ts
+++ b/src/renderer/kube-watch-api/kube-watch-api.ts
@@ -27,7 +27,6 @@ class WrappedAbortController extends AbortController {
 interface SubscribeStoreParams {
   store: KubeObjectStore<KubeObject>;
   parent: AbortController;
-  watchChanges: boolean;
   namespaces: string[];
   onLoadFailure?: (err: any) => void;
 }
@@ -75,7 +74,7 @@ export interface KubeWatchSubscribeStoreOptions {
 
   /**
    * A function that is called when listing fails. If set then blocks errors
-   * being rejected with
+   * from rejecting promises
    */
   onLoadFailure?: (err: any) => void;
 }
@@ -89,12 +88,16 @@ export class KubeWatchApi {
 
   constructor(private dependencies: Dependencies) {}
 
-  private subscribeStore({ store, parent, watchChanges, namespaces, onLoadFailure }: SubscribeStoreParams): Disposer {
-    if (this.#watch.inc(store) > 1) {
+  private subscribeStore({ store, parent, namespaces, onLoadFailure }: SubscribeStoreParams): Disposer {
+    const isNamespaceFilterWatch = !namespaces;
+
+    if (isNamespaceFilterWatch && this.#watch.inc(store) > 1) {
       // don't load or subscribe to a store more than once
       return () => this.#watch.dec(store);
     }
 
+    namespaces ??= this.dependencies.clusterFrameContext?.contextNamespaces ?? [];
+
     let childController = new WrappedAbortController(parent);
     const unsubscribe = disposer();
 
@@ -117,7 +120,7 @@ export class KubeWatchApi {
      */
     loadThenSubscribe(namespaces).catch(noop);
 
-    const cancelReloading = watchChanges
+    const cancelReloading = isNamespaceFilterWatch && store.api.isNamespaced
       ? reaction(
         // Note: must slice because reaction won't fire if it isn't there
         () => [this.dependencies.clusterFrameContext.contextNamespaces.slice(), this.dependencies.clusterFrameContext.hasSelectedAll] as const,
@@ -141,7 +144,7 @@ export class KubeWatchApi {
       : noop; // don't watch namespaces if namespaces were provided
 
     return () => {
-      if (this.#watch.dec(store) === 0) {
+      if (isNamespaceFilterWatch && this.#watch.dec(store) === 0) {
         // only stop the subcribe if this is the last one
         cancelReloading();
         childController.abort();
@@ -156,8 +159,7 @@ export class KubeWatchApi {
       ...stores.map(store => this.subscribeStore({
         store,
         parent,
-        watchChanges: !namespaces && store.api.isNamespaced,
-        namespaces: namespaces ?? this.dependencies.clusterFrameContext?.contextNamespaces ?? [],
+        namespaces,
         onLoadFailure,
       })),
     );